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Maybe it was a manual

Ah. I see your parent has excellent taste.

Yes

And an enormous amount of printer ink

LMAO

Zen

And an enormous amount of printer ink

*had

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Lizardlicker

My dad printed out a 200 page document on dnd shit

Is Zen your parent

I think Tulpa's guide has some pros and cons. I like that he includes excersises, I don't like that he gives armchair inexperienced medical advice

Deleted User

Is Zen your parent

No sadly

haha

Fam's dad is fun

2:21 PM

Wish i knew hom

2:21 PM

Him*

Yes he's very fun

Eh

Smh

Personally, I never liked guides that much. I think the abundance of them might just make people feel overwhelmed and tulpamancy is mostly about intimate experience and bonding with parts of yourself.

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To be fair teenager-dnd, in my memory is... nearly always overly edgy and not so much a shared story between friends, but a gaggle of narcissists trying to one up one another... That might just be the people I played it with though. Perhaps we were just especially immature at the time.

we never read any guides, get on our level

2:25 PM

(we should read one tho, for interest)

college/uni and later dnd is a superior time for it (edited)

Zen

To be fair teenager-dnd, in my memory is... nearly always overly edgy and not so much a shared story between friends, but a gaggle of narcissists trying to one up one another... That might just be the people I played it with though. Perhaps we were just especially immature at the time.

My dad plays with his friends alot

I don't think any given tulpamancer should read every guide. Not all guides will apply to everyone. However, there are some neat and clever ideas that are in guides that can inspire people

Whatever you do, be careful of letting guides limit you

Yeye

Zen

To be fair teenager-dnd, in my memory is... nearly always overly edgy and not so much a shared story between friends, but a gaggle of narcissists trying to one up one another... That might just be the people I played it with though. Perhaps we were just especially immature at the time.

I spoke two words in total on many of the dnd sessions as a teenager

Zen

college/uni and later dnd is a superior time for it (edited)

Best sessions are when everyone just stops caring about it being a proper fantasy settings

2:52 PM

There was a meme about that

2:52 PM

How do i find it

Probably the best way to play DnD is to play Nightbane or Shadowrun instead

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You can't lurk in Plural Nest anymore

@A long kiss goodnight - jump What does that mean, you can't lurk?

3:04 PM

So acting like one person is pretty natural for me.

@Deleted User - jump I'm curious how interacting with your tulpas goes if you are acting as one person?

You can talk to yourself too.

3:05 PM

But inner interactions remained the same, still using their names.

Wait, are you only acting as one person outwardly?

@vixiUwU - jump Mostly. With @Deleted User we don't interact much anyway.

Ahhhh

I still need to think our inner interactions with fronting headmates.

3:10 PM

Tbf, we didn't do much integration with each other it since our experiment started and @Sora Faux and @Kanade joinee.

3:11 PM

Had much more interaction with tulpas who don't front and act more like imaginary friends though.

3:11 PM

Don't plan any integration with those.

What are the conversations like in Tulpa Central? I'm banned and I haven't tried again with an alt account. Is there much said about servitors or intelligence improvement?

Is there much said about servitors or intelligence improvement?

No

Is there a little said about either? I noticed I used the word "much", and there may literally be some said, though not much.

They should be talking about intelligence improvement...

Honestly nowhere in the tulpa community that I've seen really talks about those things, unfortunately.

Well with servitors beyond a passing interest in tulpa spaces you're not likely to find much interest. They're inherently basic and much of what they "can do" is thought to be supernatural rather psychological. They're traditionally used for things like psychic communication and the like. Anyone with a non-metaphysical mindset is probably going to look at a servitor and just go "But why? It's just training a reflex to feel strange. And it takes months if it's not already something you can do." (edited)

6:23 PM

And importantly the reflex does still need to be trained.

6:28 PM

As for intelligence improvement, broadly speaking... you can't improve your intelligence with thoughtforms. That's always been the claim but it's completely spurious and without a shred of evidence. To be less reductive you can end up improving things like social intelligence by having good emotional awareness and more adaptive personality states for the purpose of communication, but that's not the same thing as learning being actually smarter in the sense that you are more intuitive about problems or can do math better. (edited)

anon

What are the conversations like in Tulpa Central? I'm banned and I haven't tried again with an alt account. Is there much said about servitors or intelligence improvement?

You can't improve your intelligence, but you can learn tools and methods that would make you smarter and make your beliefs, opinions, choices more reasonable (edited)

Yeah but just why not self-improving brain hackery in general?

That should be right up their alley and totally isn't

two of the tools would be empirism and scepticism (edited)

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6:34 PM

which you would greatly benefit from having

shudders in someone else said the E word

I knew I would summon you with it!

In fact people don't even seem to believe in it. They'll flatly sat shit like you can't change your emotional reactions to things, what you like, pain tolerance, empathy, etc, when you totally can and that's basically a chunk of what is getting obfuscated by tulpamancy when you wind up with differences between headmates but people totally act like the only way to do it is accidentally, randomly, unintentionally, and never on purpose or with forethought.

Deleted User

I knew I would summon you with it!

I was summoned by skepticism

Broadly speaking I think skepticism in the context of tulpamancy is something of a self-congratulatory lie. There's so much in tulpamancy that people have just arbitrarily said "I'm skeptical so I don't think this is possible" and it's patently false. It's nothing to do with intelligence though - It's emotional manipulation and personality adjustment, none of which changes how good you thunk.

Yup.

6:44 PM

I think there's room for skepticism in tulpamancy but it's hard both to apply correctly and to define how to apply correctly.

On that point I've seen numerous guides I think claim that tulpa relationships of any kind including friendships somehow lack an arbitrary "something". In retrospect I find this to be purely a matter of their doubt failing them

Well and maybe it gets hard for their own brains to keep surprising them.

Zen

Broadly speaking I think skepticism in the context of tulpamancy is something of a self-congratulatory lie. There's so much in tulpamancy that people have just arbitrarily said "I'm skeptical so I don't think this is possible" and it's patently false. It's nothing to do with intelligence though - It's emotional manipulation and personality adjustment, none of which changes how good you thunk.

Sure but I meant outside of tulpamancy, it's not that anon wanted to improve his intellectual performance regarding tulpamancy

People's brains don't normally surprise them? My brain is surprising.

6:48 PM

Tulpamancy excluded.

People who are not surprised by their brain have either little insight into what is happening inside their heads or there is nothing interesting going in that particular brain (edited)

Imo, a lot of times when trying to figure out how plausible something tulpamancy or brain hacky related is, I just look at what it is most probably based on. Rooted in memory, belief, associations, reinforcement? Totally fucking hackable.

Its hard getting rid of skepticism

7:02 PM

Any tips

But rooted in core brain functioning, brain chemistry? Unfuckinglikely.

I think i understand the entire basic concepts

7:03 PM

Think

7:03 PM

Not know

berockly (TTG)

Its hard getting rid of skepticism

tulpas work

7:03 PM

am tulpa, trust me

7:03 PM

you can do it!

I mean i get they work

7:04 PM

I jsut idk

berockly (TTG)

Any tips

Imo, brush up on psychology. Understand suggestion, think about what's actually happening, and don't build it up to be something magical or otherworldly. It probably hinges largely around just having a central concept of your tulpa and training your brain through repetition to associate certain things with them/them with certain things, which along with compartmentalizing, brains are totally good at. (edited)

The notion that sensory manipulation to high degrees for... various purposes... is somehow impossible is equally nonsense. Imposition =/= touch, but in this context the purpose I'm talking about is heavily dependent on mindset. The enjoyment you get from... this thing... is actually firmly based on mindset at any given time. Actual sensation is like 10% of the thing. Learning to hack perceptions in this way is actually the considerably superior way of... doing things. There's a reason it comes up in tantra (chakra manipulation) - and it's considered considerably more euphoric.

vixiUwU

Imo, brush up on psychology. Understand suggestion, think about what's actually happening, and don't build it up to be something magical or otherworldly. It probably hinges largely around just having a central concept of your tulpa and training your brain through repetition to associate certain things with them/them with certain things, which along with compartmentalizing, brains are totally good at. (edited)

Oh i understand it on a pschycological level

7:07 PM

(Based on what i know)

Then I'm not sure why you have skepticism. Hell that's probably a good question.

Which parts are you skeptical about, or what is making you skeptical? What are your "but what about..?" doubts?

Zen

The notion that sensory manipulation to high degrees for... various purposes... is somehow impossible is equally nonsense. Imposition =/= touch, but in this context the purpose I'm talking about is heavily dependent on mindset. The enjoyment you get from... this thing... is actually firmly based on mindset at any given time. Actual sensation is like 10% of the thing. Learning to hack perceptions in this way is actually the considerably superior way of... doing things. There's a reason it comes up in tantra (chakra manipulation) - and it's considered considerably more euphoric.

Considerably more euphoric than what?

If you need euphoria, just put on a fedora and post in /r/atheism

7:09 PM

(Sorry, I'll see myself out)

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vixiUwU

Considerably more euphoric than what?

Than the other lesser physical thing in a vacuum.

berockly (TTG)

Its hard getting rid of skepticism

try this https://discord.com/channels/431579755037589505/431895537978048535/796424910867791872

vixiUwU

Then I'm not sure why you have skepticism. Hell that's probably a good question.

Which parts are you skeptical about, or what is making you skeptical? What are your "but what about..?" doubts?

Im not sure i just get skeptical sometimes

7:13 PM

I understand why and how it is possible

are you sceptical about yourself or others?

I think myseld

try that technique in the link i gave you

7:14 PM

i think it's very good for seeing quick results that are resembling tulpa experience so you can build from that

Is there a better cure for scepticism than experience? I don't think so.

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No there isn't lol

Cerys

Is there a better cure for scepticism than experience? I don't think so.

swoons dramatically

Unrelated but

7:18 PM

I feel uncomfortable rn

7:18 PM

Im next to people who dont know the basic math we are doing

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